Before Became After

Product Description
Original Pre-kansas Line-up, featuring Later Kansas Member Kerry Livgren who Played the Big Creative and Composing Part in Both Line-ups: Proto Kaw and the Later Multi Platinum Line-ups from Kansas.

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Before Became After

Average customer rating:

Good to see these people still making music
Wonderful collection of music
Blown away
Better than expected...
Awesome Music/Remarkable Reunion

Before Became After (Special Edition)
Proto-Kaw
Manufacturer: Inside Out U.S.
ProductGroup: Music
Binding: Audio CD

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The Wait of Glory
Early Recordings From Kansas 1971-73
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The Best Of Kerry Livgren
Somewhere to Elsewhere

ASIN: B0001HN5UE
Release Date: 2004-09-13

Tracks:

Alt. More Worlds Than Known
Leaven
Axoloff (For Lack Of A Better Name)
Quantum Leapfrog
Gloriana
The Occasion Of Your Honest Dreaming
Heavenly Man
It Moves You
Theophany

Album Details

Original Pre-kansas Line-up, featuring Later Kansas Member Kerry Livgren who Played the Big Creative and Composing Part in Both Line-ups: Proto Kaw and the Later Multi Platinum Line-ups from Kansas.

Customer Reviews:

Good to see these people still making music.......2006-03-24

I'm glad these talented people are still making music. When they broke up Kansas I was really disappointed, eventhough the radio stations around where I live don't usually play any of the classic Kansas tunes anyhow. This is a good change of pace record from the screaming hair band music of the 80's where the band members really have to know how to play the instruments.

Wonderful collection of music.......2006-02-28

This was a gift for my husband's birthday and he has thoroughly enjoyed it. It stays in his CD player. He is an avid Kansas fan and he loves this CD.

Blown away.......2005-08-16

Being a long-time Kansas fan I can honestly say that this one simply blows me away. Knowing a bit about the recording industry, how this group did not make it is of little surprise, but THAT they did not make it is a mixed set of emotions. These guys are amazing, but if they had made it, would the classic Kansas that we all know and love exist? Inversely, where would these guys had gone if they had been given the opportunity to continue? ..... which begs the question ..... will they continue? My vote is to write more songs (Kerry, get busy!) and get back into the studio. You guys are amazing and should be proud of this fantastic collection of extrememly high quality and well crafted music. If you are a fan of the early and classic Kansas, or simply a fan of progressive rock, or simply a fan of good music, I would highly recommend this CD.

Better than expected..........2005-06-17

4.25 stars.

This *way* more than makes up for Monolith and Audio-Visions. (No offense Kerry; those just weren't canonical Kansas' best works). Major kudos to Mr. Livgren and company. I didn't have high or low expectations for this album. But I was pleasantly surprised. It's a notch above great, and a smidge below masterpiece. Who'd have known that most of the Proto-Kaw members lived workaday lives for the past 30 years? This is the Kansas album that never was but could have been... and finally is.

I listened to this for the first time today--sequentially on an iPod Shuffle (yea you can listen sequentially on a Shuffle)--and found myself rewinding to "Gloriana" repeatedly. Solid production, impressive skills and satisfying compositions. And by "satisfying" I mean it in the "satisfying meal" sense. It goes down like a really tasty dinner.

Before Became After ventures into territory I haven't heard in years--reminiscent of classic Kansas. Some songs reveal the extent of Kerry's influence during the "Kansas III" years. I don't think Proto-Kaw sounds like Kansas, but I found myself going "Ah, okay. I definitely hear the connection."

I also wanted to mention that iTunes (which I love; I'm an iPod junkie... I own 3) originally featured a Kansas band biography that bordered on offensive. The first version claimed that Steve Walsh was the primary songwriter, and basically dissed anything non-Walsh-related. I checked again and I'm glad to see that they cleaned it up. Much better! It reads like actual history now. I'm a Walsh fan too, but please. Anyway, I mention it because perhaps there really are people out there who honestly don't realize the extent to which Kerry Livgren influenced the direction of Kansas. Listen to the classic Kansas hits, then listen to Proto-Kaw/Before Became After. I'm sure you'll hear the connection.

Great album. Worth the price.

Awesome Music/Remarkable Reunion.......2005-04-06

The Editorial Review is incorrect in describing Proto-Kaw as "original pre-Kansas line-up." The band is neither the original Kansas nor pre-Kansas. Proto-Kaw is primarily comprised of Kansas II, i.e. the second version of Kansas before the third version hit the big time. Incidentally, Proto-Kaw means 'early version of Kansas' (Proto=early version & Kaw=Kansa, the name of a tribe of Sioux native Americans that once dwelled along the Kansas and Missouri Rivers, i.e. obviously the origin of the name Kansas). Proto-Kaw members Kerry Livgren, Dan Wright and Lynn Meredith, however, were also members of Kansas I.

Anyway, what a remarkable reunion! To me this music is meaty and as such very satisfying! At the same time, it leaves you wanting more. Lynn Meredith's voice is amazing and shows a splendid maturity since the early seventies! Kerry Livgren's ongoing freshness and originality as a composer/musician is astounding. `Can't wait for the upcoming new album slated to release some time this summer ('05)!

Average customer rating:

Not what I expected
There is Truth in the Unbelieveable.
Excellence Exemplified
Rise of the Bison/Phoenix

Before Became After
Proto-Kaw
Manufacturer: Inside Out U.S.
ProductGroup: Music
Binding: Audio CD

General | Rock | Styles | Music

Progressive Rock | Progressive | Rock | Styles | Music

Pop Rock | Pop | Styles | Music
Similar Items:

The Wait of Glory
Early Recordings From Kansas 1971-73
The Wait of Glory
?
One

ASIN: B0001IMKUE
Release Date: 2004-04-06

Tracks:

Alt. More Worlds Than Known
Leaven
Axoloff (For Lack Of A Better Name)
Quantum Leapfrog
Gloriana
The Occasion Of Your Honest Dreaming
Heavenly Man
It Moves You
Theophany

Album Details

Original Pre-kansas Line-up, featuring Later Kansas Member Kerry Livgren who Played the Big Creative and Composing Part in Both Line-ups: Proto Kaw and the Later Multi Platinum Line-ups from Kansas.

Customer Reviews:

Not what I expected.......2006-06-07

Being a huge fan of Kansas and after reading numerous reviews praising this disc, I bought it. The songs do not sound like Kansas, which is nice, who needs a clone? However, some of the songs are not my style so for me, it's a mixed bag. Can't believe the horrid "Occasion of your Honest Dreaming" made it on the disc.

The music combines a range of styles from blues to flute interludes (at times reminiscent of Tull). "Quantum Leapfrog" has a cool jazzy/Latin groove that blasts into some serious pounding riffs, the bluesy "Alt. More Worlds Than Known" is a great opener, and "Leaven" and "Theophany" are both great progressive rock tunes. Unfortunately, the rest of the disc is not as strong, but that's just my opinion, so buy it yourself and give it a listen.

Finally, the tracks listed by Amazon are incorrect. The disc has 10 tracks and "It Moves You" is not one of them. "Words of Honor" and "Greenburg, Glickstein, Charles, David, Smith, and Jones" are not listed.

There is Truth in the Unbelieveable........2004-05-18

Simply stunning, astounding, sensational, quite brilliant. Livgren is pure genius. One cannot grasp the enormity of the passion, intensity, emotion and so much more that one listen of this CD conveys. You will be playing this over and over again on first purchase to see if it really is as brilliant as it is!!! Then you will come back to it a few days later, because you cannot get enough of it.

The story of this CD and Band is so worth telling that it is somewhat unbelieveable - after 30 years these guys re-unite to make music that is so far out front, that it almost gets ahead of itself - if that is possible.

By that I mean that while the music has a certain 70's prog-rock feel about it and there is no mistaking Livgren's influence on the whole (if you are familiar with this man's genius), it is certainly music of the new Millenium - progressive to the core.

The Band's story (not just the Bio) is a story that should make the annals of Rock history - of that there is absolutely no doubt - whether you like the music or not. It is simply astounding.

Prog-rock should be filled with soaring melodies and instrumental intracacies, where the vocals should be harmonious and add an extra dimension to the music. This CD delivers on all fronts.

Prog-rock to retain it's own integrity must NOT remain in the years past masters such as Genesis, Pink Floyd, Rush, and many others - brilliant that they were and some still are.

However, the new breed of Prog-protaginists include Bands that have been around for some time now (and some newer ones), but are moving amongst this genre to be exactly what it is meant to be - progressive with the times. I place the likes of "Dream Theater" (sometimes), "Marillion", "Porcupine Tree" (brilliant), "Enchant", "Spocks Beard", "OSI", the new "Opeth" and a few others in this category.

This Proto-Kaw, along with their new CD is even ahead of that bunch or certainly up there with them. It was Livgren himself in one of his previous songs suggested that the "Future is borne out in our History". While he was referring to his deeply held Christian beliefs in that particular song, that statement applies to this CD.

A listen to "Words of Honour", "Axolotl" (just wrap yourself around this tune building to an absolute brilliant cresendo), "Heavenly Man" and "Theophany" - and you will see what I mean.

I trust the Band makes a few more gems. This CD is a sparkling diamond in a very monotonous, irksome and plastic music industry. We are awash in a sea of mediocrity these days. It is nice to find the opals (being Aussie) amongst the discoloured rocks.

Well done KL and the Band and that you have renewed your friendships from so long ago. Maintain the standards and we look forward to the next Proto-Kaw release.

Excellence Exemplified.......2004-05-10

Before Became After , surely, shows that the 2nd KANSAS line up(present day Proto KAW) IS as talented as the version that became famous in the mid to Late seveneties. Which is a query Livgren proposed in his book Seeds of Change.The releases' cover ,alone, is a visual harbinger of the great things to come musically. This work also shows that Livgens compositional abilities have not atrophied one iota,if anything, they may have improved. The vocalist Lynn Meredith has a very good & unique voice which,when needed, is ripe with passion.The musicians instrumental prowess is of the high caliber. Dan Wright can play a mean organ. Livgren plays the piano beautifully and plays a melodic, yet hard edged, guitar. Schultz' drums are crisp and deft. John Bolton plays saxaphone with great feel and his flute playing is full and lyrical. Craig Kew,the only one non original member, plays bass with lots of pluck & a heavy hand.

As to the songs, all Livgren comps sans the Lawyer song, they are very good if not great. The only weak spot being,in my opinion, the Lawyer song(Greenburg,.,.,.). In actuality, it is a good song ,has some cool instrumental sections , but just doesn't seem to fit the album & the chorus strikes me a little bit wrong. My Fave songs are Heavenly Man, Gloriana, More Worlds Than Known, Leaven, Axolotl, & Theophany. This list bears out,you would/will find, that I am a progger but the shorter tunes are also top notch.

BTW Get the Special Edition with all the bells(extra tunes/live cuts) and whistles.(edits/interviews) Not that the regular version is anything to sneeze at. :-)

Rise of the Bison/Phoenix.......2004-04-07

Like many a sodbuster who braved life on the prairie, the members of Proto-Kaw are unsung heroes. They were pioneers of progressive rock in America and like the pioneers who came to the plains a century before them, they paved the way for those who came after. But pioneering is hard. Many do not make it, even giving it all they have; the elements are sometimes too much and there comes a time to pack it in. 30 years ago, Kansas was not a place where progressive rock thrived and try as they might, Proto-Kaw (then simply known as Kansas), was forced to give up their dream and turn to other ways of life. However, they paved the way for the band that immediately followed their footsteps. Kerry Livgren, the song smith for the band joined forces with another group, White Clover, who picked up the now unused moniker: Kansas. The new Kansas picked up where their predecessors left off and managed to hold on until they were discovered. They went on to define the American sound of progressive rock.

That could have been the end for the first Kansas and for many years that is how it appeared. However, that is not the end of the story, because in 2002 the early demo recordings had become popular bootlegs in Europe and were available for download on the internet. Cuneiform Records became interested and released them on CD, but the band needed a new name and thus began the resurrection of Proto-Kaw (Proto: first or earlier - Kaw: the Native American name for Kansas).

How many bands can say that they have back to back album releases recorded 30 years apart? Thirty years after the dream of success as a band died and had been laid to rest, the dream has now been resurrected with the band reuniting to record an all new album.

Before Became After is a weaving of old and new. The band is comprised of original members, Lynn Meredith, vocals; Kerry Livgren, guitars, keys & compositions; Dan Wright, keyboards; John Bolton, sax & flute; Brad Schulz, drums; plus newcomer Craig Kew, bass, who worked with Livgren on an earlier solo release. The songs, too, are a blending of old and new. Livgren updated songs the band played 30 years ago and added new compositions into a seamless fabric of their new sound. Which is which? It's impossible to tell unless you were around when the band first began performing 30 years ago.

The new Proto-Kaw is fresh, but more mature. Gone are the blood curdling banshee wailings from Bolton's sax, but no less frenetic is some of his playing than his younger days, coupled with some very lyrical flute work. Gone, too, are the occasional stretches of experimental cacophony. The new music is much more euphonious progressive rock tinged with jazz improvisation shifting in tone and color as quickly as the weather of the band's home state. It is a bit hard to describe the band's sound because it is so varied and constantly shifting, not just from song to song, but within songs themselves there can be elements of soaring beauty which segue into rocking jams. In fact, there is very much the feel of a jam band within a nearly classical framework in its complexity.

Before Became After is great ensemble playing and the compositions give rise to some fine solo work, an interplay between Wright's keyboards, Livgren's guitar or Bolton's woodwinds, all anchored by some fine bass & drum work by Kew & Schulz. Meredith uses his voice as an instrument, just as the different ranges of sound produced by his instrumentalist band mates, his voice reflecting and inflecting just the right sound to fit the song. Truly, Meredith sounds better today than he did 30 years ago, which can't be said of many vocalists.

There will likely be the temptation to compare Proto-Kaw to other bands, especially their well known successor, but this is unwarranted as Proto-Kaw is very much their own band, with a sound that is their own. What is familiar lies at the heart of their music, the song writing of Kerry Livgren. As with any composer there are elements that are recognizable from song to song, a phrasing or chord progression. As an author's use of language keeps readers coming back for more, so does Livgren's writing, both musically & lyrically. The Occasion of Your Honest Dreaming, departs from the prog format in a joyful straight ahead light rock number with an infectious melody sung as a group vocal.

My only criticism would be the ending of one of the most powerful songs on the CD, Theophany, which builds in dynamic crescendo & tempo to the final chord, but then has an extra beat with just bass and drums, sounding more like a minor miscued cutoff than a well planned anti-climax. That aside, this is an outstanding album and all the more joyous when you consider how it came to be, how long it was in coming.

There is a line in Axolotl which says: "Dreams don't mean a thing until they're real." Surely these dreams mean something now, because this is the real thing. Proto-Kaw's Before Became After is American progressive rock at its best.

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Before Became After
Proto-Kaw
Manufacturer: Phantom Sound & Vision
ProductGroup: Music
Binding: Audio CD
ASIN: B000A2POOU
Release Date: 2004-01-01