Cage: 4'33; Music

On this CD:

1. 45', for a speaker
Composed by John Cage
with Frances-Marie Uitti

2. 34'46.776", for piano
Composed by John Cage
with Marianne Schroeder

3. 31'57.9864", for piano
Composed by John Cage
with Nils Vigeland

4. 27'10.554", for percussion
Composed by John Cage
with Robyn Schulkowsky

5. 26'1.1499", for a string player
Composed by John Cage
with Frances-Marie Uitti

6. 4'33", for any ensemble or number of players
Composed by John Cage
with Peter Pfister

7. Two, for flute & piano
Composed by John Cage
with Eberhard Blum , Marianne Schroeder

8. 45', for a speaker
Composed by John Cage
with Eberhard Blum

9. 34'46.776", for piano
Composed by John Cage
with Marianne Schroeder

10. 31'57.9864", for piano
Composed by John Cage
with Nils Vigeland

11. 27'10.554", for percussion
Composed by John Cage
with Robyn Schulkowsky

12. 26'1.1499", for a string player
Composed by John Cage
with Frances-Marie Uitti

13. Music for..., any combination of 1-17 instrumental parts (title of work is completed by number of instruments used)
Composed by John Cage
with Nils Vigeland , Eberhard Blum , Marianne Schroeder , Robyn Schulkowsky , Frances-Marie Uitti

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4'33"
Average customer rating: 3 out of 5 stars
  • Where is the "Bust of Beethoven" skit when we need it the most!
  • Amusing as it is yet infuriating
  • sounds of 'silence'
  • Extrovert & Glorious
4'33"

Manufacturer: Hungaroton
ProductGroup: Music
Binding: Audio CD

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ASIN: B000003070
Release Date: 1993-12-08

Customer Reviews:

1 out of 5 stars Where is the "Bust of Beethoven" skit when we need it the most!.......2007-04-30

Ahhhh! 4'33" and with a straight face I'm told by a diehard John Cage fan, "You fail to grasp the "event", Doc, the "attitude" of the piece, where what you term 'silence' is in fact the 'ambient chorus of the hall' [!?] where even a passing cough [or belch or ... ?] by an audience member could conceivably be, in the mind of the listener anyway, the "Appassionata" [!] or indeed the 'essence of a Liszt or a Rachmaninoff' !" to which I promptly replied, "Well, the experience leaves me 'envisioning' at least analogously anyway, since such conjuring becomes a mandate for any 'listener' from the very get-go, the Chopin B-Flat Minor "Funeral March" piece!" Scratch one otherwise decent "agree to disagree" cyber friendship!

Let's get down to cases: the pianist comes to the piano, sits, and except for the piano lid 'adjustment' after watching the 'time' in order to signal the 3 "movements" of 4'33", not a note is played!

C'mon already! I mean if we're doing the old Muppet Show with Victor Borge and Fozzie-Bear "Bust of Beethoven" skit [I loved that one! You know, Victor hits a [purposeful] clinker in the "Moonlight Sonata" and Fozzie makes with the "Did you make a mistake?" and the "Bust of Beethoven" pipes up for the 'defense', as it were, "No, that's the way I wrote it!"]. Anyway, if the purpose 'is' in fact pure skit or shtick, hey, fine, but to seriously pass off 4'33" as no less than the veritable muse itself "manifesting itself to both artist and audience", give me a break!

Yes, I've narrowed my remarks to 4'33" but then this whole business of the "prepared piano" or of bolts, screws, spoons, wires, marbles, 'whatever' either 'precisely set' or indeed simply rolling around the piano strings as allegedly representing "the voice of things to come and/or music of the future", hey, I'll settle for a "Chopsticks" rendition if 'only' for the purpose of some semblance for piece recognition or indeed a return to some form of harmony ... versus dissonance gone amuck but for the 'sake' of dissonance by design!

What's that? Sure! I most certainly 'did' see Andy Russo at one of my "precious classical international piano competitions" [Van Cliburn, Leeds, Chopin, et al] reach over the piano keys and begin a sort of 'pizzicato variation' while literally plucking the piano 'strings' doing that George Crumb piece but hey, did YOU see the face of juror Claude Frank when he saw it happening? Yeah, I know, beauty is in the eye [or ear or, indeed, in this case with 4'33", 'imagination'] of the beholder, true enough, but there are also such things as the proverbial elephant in the room too ... albeit often to the accompanying 'aroma' left by the beast therein!

Doc Tony

Watch now ... a reader in 'wherever' .... "Obviously the good doctor is an ultra staid classical "sic piece" and no doubt fanatical Claudio Arrau fan!" OK, I'll give you this for 4'33", the 'plus' side if you will: no pesky clinkers, missed notes or memory lapses! And hey, the real recital biggie for 4'33" renderings, talk about de facto 'silencing' those artist critics, yes? Or could that audible rumble of the hall air conditioning system suddenly conjure up even to the critic the kettle drum prelude to Thus Spake You-Know-Who! Watch too, yet another reader, "That's it, Doc! 'Now' you have the heart of it all!" ;-)

3 out of 5 stars Amusing as it is yet infuriating.......2007-02-21

4'33" is a solid example of the post/modernist's destruction of art by ideology; and while it is arguable that any condemnation of this destruction--or even calling it destruction at all--belies valuation which ought itself to be deconstructed, I call bull****. And not in the made-up Frankfurt sense.
I like to believe that Beethoven would have punched Cage in the head.
Because, you see, there is within this absurd silliness, a rejection of music. Music is something to be enjoyed for what it is; that is, for the components of music--melody, tone, &c.--and for the emotion behind the music and for the element of design, composition. I don't mean to attempt to set up some criteria for music or art; rather, I will say that there is something about music that is essential to music, something beyond the definition of music, or one might say that music is defined by something that cannot be re-defined without rendering music noise. It seems inexpressible: we can point at the components of music, but to say what music is--
Ligeti pushed the boundaries. Messiaen was innovative. Schoenberg was... something. And so on. And so forth. But this--!
Cage, when a little more serious, can be a bit enjoyable; but the most enjoyable aspect of this album, I think, is the near-silent track--the track which makes a mockery out of placing philosophy over art. No, placing an unreal philosophy over art. Abstraction, the unconcrete and ungrounded. Something thought of in a moment in which he was withdrawn from reality. A fancy: wouldn't it be splendid if all things, the greatest music and the most random sounds, were without error, equal. It seems an avoidance of judgment, an avoidance of valuation--and insofar as it is conscious of its avoidance, itself a valuation, or dis-valuation--a senseless pursuit of the program of re-valuation, without regard for reality.
So, despite the fact that Beethoven would punch Cage in the head, I think 4'33" has some value: it exposes the farce of ridiculous modes of thought.

4 out of 5 stars sounds of 'silence'.......2005-12-15

" I should note that audience noise is somewhat pronounced, but it really presents no obstacle to enjoyment of this magnificent rendition of 4'33". " that was just too funny not to write my own review.

Cage is probably one of the most important of the American avant-garde composers, and is most notorious for this piece, 4'33", in which no noise in delibritly made. "There is no such thing as silence. Something is always happening that makes a sound." It is these unintentioned sounds, especially of the crowd, that is to be regarded as the music of the piece. Cage is infamous for having asked the question, what is music? 4'33" in particular is meant to challenge the conventional definition of music.

He also described his music as being purpossless play, an extention of his Zen Buddhist beleifs. "this play is an affirmation of life-not an attempt to bring order out of chaos, nor to suggest improvements in creation, but simply to wake up to the very life we are living, which is so excellent once one gets one's mind and desires out the way and lets it act of its own accord."

not for everyone of course, this cd is a good mix of cage's work, certainly a visionary composer whose legacy will last.

5 out of 5 stars Extrovert & Glorious.......2005-07-05

All of the pieces on this disc are excellent, but I wish to call your attention specially to the title piece. I have in my collection most of the extant recordings of 4'33", & have admired most of them, but without doubt this is the most splendid recording available at the present day. The Amadinda Percussion Group is in top form throughout, bringing a sensitivity & brio to the piece that have rarely been approached. The tempi are a bit faster than I am accustomed to, but I found this a welcome change, & if anything, truer to Cage's intentions. The sound quality is first-rate: every nuance is finely chiselled, dynamics are tracked with absolute fidelity. I should note that audience noise is somewhat pronounced, but it really presents no obstacle to enjoyment of this magnificent rendition of 4'33".
The Life and Works of Joseph Haydn
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    The Life and Works of Joseph Haydn

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    ASIN: B0000BXBXT
    Release Date: 2003-10-21
    Non Stop Flight
    Average customer rating: 5 out of 5 stars
    • Better performances of 4'33" are out there
    • NonStop Flight
    • WOW!
    Non Stop Flight

    Manufacturer: Music & Arts Program
    ProductGroup: Music
    Binding: Audio CD

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    ASIN: B00000DC3D
    Release Date: 1998-10-20

    Tracks:

    1. 4:33 - Julie Steinberg
    2. Vars II - The Hub
    3. Mairzy Doats - Zero The Clown
    4. Traffic Prayers: Traffic Prayers And Amnesia - Wendy Jeanne Burch/Joe Catalano/Spirit Stick
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    7. The Last Chances - Deep Listening Band/The Hub/Thomas Buckner/Tom Heasley/Toyoji Tomita/Maggi Payne...

    Customer Reviews:

    5 out of 5 stars Better performances of 4'33" are out there.......2005-07-05

    Both of the renditions of 4'33" to be had here are capably played, but two considerations force me to withhold a recommendation. First, the sound levels are atrocious; I could scarcely hear the performances. Secondly, the tempi were unbearably ponderous. I listened through the entire piece & at the end the first note had yet to be played. I recommend instead the superlative recording put out by the Amadinda Percussion Group, where you will discover an interpretation of the highest calibre.

    5 out of 5 stars NonStop Flight.......2004-04-15

    This was an amazing concert and I own a CD of the recording.... if you are at all "listening" out there, looking for sound that will take you beyond your normal experience, this collaborative work of incredible musicians, a live recording, get this one and research those who were performing.... you will not be disappointed.

    5 out of 5 stars WOW!.......2002-10-31

    4:33 has got to be the single best song in western tonality! Wow! I mean what kind of genius could come up with that!
    Cage: 4'33; Music
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      Cage: 4'33; Music

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      ProductGroup: Music
      Binding: Audio CD

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      Release Date: 1995-08-01

      Tracks:

      1. 45 Mins For A Speaker - Frances-Marie Uitti/Marianne Schroeder/Nils Vigeland/Robyn Schulkowsky
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      Music of the Twentieth Century
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      • An interesting compilation
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      Customer Reviews:

      5 out of 5 stars An interesting compilation.......2007-02-06

      Don't know how you got here, but good digging. This album is a sampler from United records, a company out of the UK. It contains a fairly good cross section of 20th century composers. Many pieces stand out - Keiko Abe's, the Shostakovich piece, the Schnittke sonata. The inclusion of John Cage's 4'33 is negligible. It was the piece that drove me to dig up this CD. I knew what it was (silence), but I at least expected ambient crowd noise (I don't think it was recorded live). It being included here amidst such great music, it acts like a dead weight. I think there were surely more representative John Cage pieces they could've selected. But enough of my griping.
      If you're looking for an intro into some of the more avant-garde leanings of 20th century classical, this one works halfway. Overall, a good disc with some pieces that will surely find their way into your head. You might have to look hard for this - it was on my Wish List for a year and a half without any sellers- but it can be worth it.
      If ANYONE reads this, click the helpful button. I'm just curious to see if anyone else finds this CD out here in the Amazon bins.
      Lifting the Veil
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        Lifting the Veil

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