Bruckner: Symphony 4

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1. Symphony No. 4 in E flat (Romantic) (Original; Vienna; Karlsruhe; New York; Schalk & Löwe versions), WAB 104
Composed by Anton Bruckner
Performed by Orf Choir and Symphony Orchestra Conducted by Milan Horvat

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Bruckner: The Complete Symphonies
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ASIN: B00004YA0T
Release Date: 2000-11-07

Tracks:

  1. Sym No.1 in c: I. Allegro
  2. Sym No.1 in c: II. Adagio
  3. Sym No.1 in c: III. Scherzo: Schnell
  4. Sym No.1 in c: IV. Finale: Bewegt, Feurig

Tracks:

  1. Sym No.2 in c: I. Moderato
  2. Sym No.2 in c: II. Andante
  3. Sym No.2 in c: III. Scherzo: Massig Schnell
  4. Sym No.2 in c: IV. Finale: Mehr Schnell

Tracks:

  1. Sym No.3 in d: I. Mehr Langsam, Misterioso
  2. Sym No.3 in d: II. Adagio (Bewegt) Quasi Andante
  3. Sym No.3 in d: III. Ziemlich Bewegt
  4. Sym No.3 in d: IV. Allegro

Tracks:

  1. Sym No.4 in E flat 'Romantic': I. Bewegt, Nicht Zu Schnell
  2. Sym No.4 in E flat 'Romantic': II. Andante Quasi Allegretto
  3. Sym No.4 in E flat 'Romantic': III. Scherzo: Bewegt - Trio: Nicht Zu Schnell
  4. Sym No.4 in E flat 'Romantic': IV. Finale: Bewegt, Doch Nicht Zu Schnell

Tracks:

  1. Sym No.5 in B flat: I. Intro: Adagio - Allegro
  2. Sym No.5 in B flat: II. Adagio - Sehr Langsam
  3. Sym No.5 in B flat: III. Scherzo: Molto Vivace - Schnell
  4. Sym No.5 in B flat: IV. Finale: Allegro Moderato

Tracks:

  1. Sym No.6 in A: I. Maestoso
  2. Sym No.6 in A: II. Adagio: Sehr Feierlich
  3. Sym No.6 in A: III. Scherzo: Nicht Schnell - Trio: Langsam
  4. Sym No.6 in A: IV. Finale: Bewegt, Doch Nicht Zu Schnell

Tracks:

  1. Sym No.7 in E: I. Allegro Moderato
  2. Sym No.7 in E: II. Adagio: Sehr Feierlich Und Sehr Langsam
  3. Sym No.7 in E: III. Scherzo: Sehr Schnell - Trio: Etwas Langsamer
  4. Sym No.7 in E: IV. Finale: Bewegt, Doch Nicht Zu Schnell

Tracks:

  1. Sym No.8 in c: I. Allegro Moderato
  2. Sym No.8 in c: II. Scherzo: Allegro Moderato
  3. Sym No.8 in c: III. Adagio: Fierelich Langsam, Doch Nicht Schleppend
  4. Sym No.8 in c: IV. Finale: Feierlich, Nicht Schnell

Tracks:

  1. Sym No.9 in d: I. Feierlich, Misterioso
  2. Sym No.9 in d: II. Scherzo: Bewegt, Lebhaft - Trio: Schnell
  3. Sym No.9 in d: III. Adagio - Langsam, Feierlich

Amazon.com

Here's a welcome box of all Bruckner's numbered symphonies led by a distinguished specialist renowned during his lifetime for his identification with the composer. Neatly laid out with each symphony on a disc of its own (no annoying midsymphony changeovers) and in top-quality late-1970s sound, this is an irresistible bargain for such superb performances. Jochum's Bruckner was spontaneous-sounding, with generally swift tempos tempered by flexible rhythms and slow movements that squeeze all the juice from this heartfelt music. The Dresden orchestra is a marvelous instrument for these works, with a beefy, warm sound and brass players that can whip up the excitement in the grand climaxes. Individual conductors, whether vintage greats like Furtwängler or more recent Brucknerians such as Wand on RCA and Tintner on Naxos, may equal or better Jochum in individual works, but taken as a complete traversal of these massive scores, Jochum's is second to none. --Dan Davis

Customer Reviews:

4 out of 5 stars One of two Jochum sets of Bruckner.......2007-04-22

The other complete set of Eugen Jochum conducting Bruckner's symphonies, of course, is the series he recorded for DG in stereo between 1958 and 1967 with the Bavarian RSO or (in Symphonies 1, 4, and 7-9) the Berlin Philharmonic, following a number of recordings of individual symphonies he made in the pre-LP days. Although Jochum's basic conceptions remained consistent over the years, that earlier set finds Jochum more consistently alert and a shade more vibrant than in this valedictory go-round with the canonical Bruckner symphonies, taped in the late 1970s. By comparison, the overall impression here is of slightly lower voltage, although the flip side is that this cycle is also just that much more serene, and aptly so (Bruckner's music has been described as "blazing calm").

Even so, this boxed set has a lot to recommend it, whether or not in preference to the DG cycle. There is the burnished and responsive delivery of the great Dresden orchestra, perhaps the oldest in Europe. There is EMI's warm and atmospheric sound, which in this remastering is considerably better focused and more detailed than in the first CD incarnation of this cycle. This cycle's Seventh and Ninth Symphonies arguably make a deeper impression than their counterparts in the DG series--even if the DG cycle compensates with more successful readings of the Fourth and Eighth. Above all, there is Jochum's lifelong identification with Bruckner's music (but NOT, as another reviewer suggested, due to a personal relationship between the conductor and the composer, who had died six years before Jochum was born!). Personal preference will dictate whether you go for the DG or EMI cycle; either way, you will hear Bruckner via one of the last exponents of a more flexible, less "monumental" (and also less stolid) approach to this composer's music.

4 out of 5 stars Bruckner by Jochum.......2005-10-03

These CDs contain performances of the nine Bruckner symphonies.
Of these 3,4,7,8,9 are remarkable, with 4, 8 and 9 being
masterpieces. The performances by Eugen Jocum and the Dresden
Staatskapelle orchsetra are well-designed, and played at tempi
that seem to represent the composer's intentions. The recording
quality is good, except for dynamics: the sound volume is
on the low side. One needs a high grade system for adequate
reproduction, especially given the wide dynamic range and
timbral subtlety characteristic of Bruckner.

5 out of 5 stars The Best Complete Bruckner Symphonies.......2005-09-25

The reason that this is the best complete symphony recordings of Bruckner is that conductor Eugene Jochum had a close relationship with Bruckner himself and knew the music like the palm of his hand. despite any negative commentary or the fact the preferred editions are conducted by the eminent Herbert Von Karajan, this box set is by far the best. All the symphonie sound great, polished, romantic, idealized, spiritual, energetic, passionate and mysterious, especially the opening movement of the final 9th, which comes in both versions here. This is a true winner for a recording box set. Your other choice should be Karajan though. But Jochum masters the music with great affinity and brilliant technical musicianship. In this recording, particularly impressive are the 7-9th. The early symphonies are German-Romantic Wagner/Mahler style but entirely Bruckner's individualized style. It is music that is heavy, and not music for a beginner to hear. It is deep, highly emotional, music to meditate by. It's slow-moving, dream-like and powerful, horns and brasses sounding fatalistic at times, while the winds and strings evoking either intensity or quietness. Bruckner himself would love this set. He certainly approved of Jochum conducting.

3 out of 5 stars A good, but not great, Bruckner cycle........2005-02-18

Ideally, I wanted to review the DG Jochum cycle, since I actually prefer that one, but it's NLA as of this posting, so I'll just make some comments about both cycles here.

Eugen Jochum may have been the greatest advocate of Bruckner, of the 20th Century. However, I have lived with this cycle, and especially the DG one, for many years now, and I have come to view his Bruckner interpretations as somewhat overrated, even in comparison with his "old school Bruckner" colleagues. Perhaps my opinion is a little skewed by overexposure, but I have other recordings I turn to more frequently that have not started to "wear" on me as much as some of Jochums. For one example, I am not, by any means, a "Karajan freak" (I have also come to view his last VPO Eighth, over which most people seem to be "ga ga," a bit overrated, as well) but I find his full DG cycle from the 70's and early 80's, for one, to be more consistently satisfying, with the exception of the first, fourth, and sixth, in all of which Jochum is clearly better, imo. I must say I do get tired of the cliches' about Karajan's performances being too "cool, polished, and sterile," and Haitink's being too "light," etc. These preconceptions, often based on preconcieved opinions about the conductors themselves, precludes people from really having to seriously consider their recordings, just as the opposite preconception that Jochum is THE Brucknerian of the century tends to make his recorded preformances somehow beyond reproach.

Based on Jochum's reputation, I eagerly awaited the DG cycle, back at a time in the late 80's when I was first getting into Bruckner when there were relatively few Bruckner recordings in print. Even on first listening, there were certain things about his interpretations that didn't sound right to me. Admittedly, at that time, I knew virtually nothing of the "old school," with its more flexible tempi, dynamics, and more dramatic approach, to Bruckner. Since then, I have become very well acquainted with recordings of the "old school" Bruckner conductors such as Schuricht (his 1943 Ninth is one of my ten favorites), Furtwangler (his 1944 Ninth might BE my favorite), Hausegger, Kabasta, Abendroth, Matacic; Walter and Horenstein's mono recordings, etc. etc...and I still don't find many of Jochum's interpretations to compare all that favorably.

One thing you can say with some degree of confidence about Jochum is that most of his interpretations are amazingly consistent over a half century of recordings. Compare his recordings of the Fourth and Seventh from the late 1930's to those from his later DG and EMI cycles, and they are remarkably similar, both in terms of timings, tempos, and phrasing. Two examples of "Jochumisms" that have come to grate on me a bit over time are: 1) As much as I love most of his Fourth, esp. the finale, which I think he "nails" better than any other conductor, I feel that he turns the andante quasi allegretto into an adagio (in general, I can never understand why many conductors insist upon turning this flowing movement into a dirge); 2) The slow tempo he chooses for the lovely "enchanted forest" motif (as I call it) that flows out of the beautiful intro of the Seventh, which ultimately steers the whole first movement toward a slow and stodgy tempo. Jochum's Seventh almost sounds like it starts out with two adagios. His first movement isn't excessively slow in terms of it's total timing (and I've noticed that many listeners pay too much attention to timings anyway), but in terms of it's lack of flexibility and flow: there are readings of this movement a minute of two longer (like Chailly, for example, although I think his Seventh is a bit overrated) that still have a better sense of ebb and flow to them. Some examples of sevenths I prefer to Jochum's are Sinopoli's; Karajan 70's DG; Inbal's; Wand's 70's Cologne recording; Furtwangler's 1951 BPO (Rome); Abendroth's 1956 recording; and Haitink's 70's recording.

Jochum's Fifth was one of the biggest disappointments of my Bruckner collection, esp. after all of the things I had heard about it's legendary status. Although I think his inner movements are just fine (except the slow movement of his 1938 Fifth, which I found a little too slow), I think he is too slow--and even more importantly not flexible enough--in the all important outer movements. But the "Jochumism" that grates on me the most, in ALL of his recordings, is his excessive stretching out of the coda of the finale, made even less convincing by the lack of a strong underpinning of timpani. Karajan (whose DG Fifth was my first, and is still my favorite, followed by Horenstein, Welser-Most, and Gielen) augmented this thrilling coda--Bruckner's best, even better than the Eighth's, if it's done properly--with an extra set of timpani, and very effectively. If any of you are rolling your eyes (esp. you "Karajan-bashers") at Karajan's use of extra timpani, remember that Jocum augmented the brass section for the famous chorale of the Fifth's finale...this is part of what the vanishing art of interpretation is all about. On the subject of timpani, one of the characteristics of the Bruckner "old school" was the ideal that the Bruckner orchestra started from the ground (bass) up, and needed a strong underpinning of timpani (too often missing in recent recordings), esp. in climactic moments: Furtwangler's recordings provided the best example of this; most of Jochum's recordings are surprisingly lacking in powerful timpani, and this is particularly exposed in his somewhat melodramatic lengthening of the Fifth's final coda.

In general, I find Jochum's Eighth and Ninth to be a bit terse, except for his readings of the third movement of the Ninth, which was consistently one of his best movements, esp. his Dresden recording. If his readings of 1-7--except, again, his 1,4, and 6, which I find generally excellent--tended to lack flexibility on the slow side, the outer movements of his Eighth and the first movement of his Ninths tended to lack flexibility on the fast side. One very notable exception, however, is his 1949 Hamburg Eighth, which is my very favorite Jochum recording, and perhaps one of my ten favorite Eighths overall. He gets everything right here, with a good amount of flexibility...which makes it even more puzzling to me that the outer movements of his later recordings of the Eighth were so terse by comparison.

As far as the merits of the DG cycle versus the EMI, again, there is very little to choose as far as interpretations: they are remarkably similar. The only difference that really jumped out at me was that the first movement of the Dresden Ninth was not only a little too terse, but strangely "herky jerky" in terms of some awkward tempo relations, which create more distraction than tension. Although I feel that the adagio of the Dresden Ninth is Jochum's most searching account of this movement, I still like the Ninth from the DG set a bit better.

In terms of recorded sound, again I'd have to give the nod to the DG cycle. The older DG recordings sound more natural to me, whereas the late analog EMI recordings are a bit too brightly lit, almost sounding like early digital in places. The seemingly endless permutations of packaging, repackaging, and recoupling of both of these cycles, and the individual recordings from them, has become a bit absurd, but at least it has made it very easy to pick up most of these recordings in used CD bins.

5 out of 5 stars Outstanding set!.......2004-08-07

To win conducting Bruckner demands from a director several issues . You must have a first order orchestra ; second your rapport with the orchestra ; third Bruckner symphonies are a real challenge they are real difficult works because you have to maintain the sound all along the work ; fourth: the different mood changes and the running time of every symphony demands a serious analysis and commitment with the inspired and rapture melodic lines inmersed ; fifth : to underline and emphasize the sforzandos , the dramatic accents are almost an epic achievement ; sixth : since the undeniable influenc of Wagner in Bruckner you have to keep the balance and obviously to have studied Wagner in every work and consider the fact if Wagner would have lived twenty years more Would it sound in the brucknerian mood? and if all the previous factors were not enough , you have to consider the giant directors in Bruckner : Wilhelm Furtwangler , Hans Knappersbutch , Jasha Horenstein ,Carl Suricht , Horst Stein and obviously Eugene Jochum and the most remarkable Bruckner conductor in the actual times : Daniel Barenboim .
Jochum was a noble man and he had another important point to his favour : the orchestra : placed in the East Germany kept his sound due the isolation in the thirties forties and fifties . I underline this because the character and presence of similar orchestras as the Gewandhaus of Leipzig let obtain a pure sound ; and not a traditional vision .
This set is relevant in your collection because the standard level of every work is very high and often inspired . So it is easier for you to make a musical journey all the way.
I really recommend to you .
Bruckner: Symphony No. 4
Average customer rating: 4.5 out of 5 stars
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  • Among the best recent Bruckner Fourths: 4.5stars
Bruckner: Symphony No. 4

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  5. Saint-Saëns: Symphony No. 3; Poulenc: Organ Concerto; Barber: Toccata Festiva

ASIN: B000NPCMJE
Release Date: 2007-05-08

Tracks:

  1. Bewegt, nicht zu schnell
  2. Andante quasi allegretto
  3. Scherzo- trio
  4. Finale

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Bruckner's Fourth Symphony underwent a complicated revision history. This recording uses the Nowak from 1886. Bruckner himself nicknamed this symphony "The Romantic." Its 1881 premiere marked his first Viennese triumph; it remains his most popular symphony, despite its occasional repetitiousness and moments when grandeur becomes grandiosity. As always, the spirit of Wagner hovers over the harmonies and the orchestration. The solemn processionals and chorales reveal the devout Catholic, while the sonorities and the frequent rests and pauses recall the organist resetting his stops. The Symphony abounds with long, arching melodies - somber and prayerful, soaring and ecstatic - and innumerable climaxes, often aborted but gathering for the final triumph. The incomparable Berlin Philharmonic revels in the glorious orchestral sound, from each individual solo to the massed tuttis. The performance is immensely exciting, expressive, and evocative. The only flaw is the excessive dynamic contrast; keep a finger on the volume-control. --Edith Eisler

Album Description

Following up their release of Brahm's Ein Deutsches Requiem, Sir Simon Rattle and the Berliner Philharmoniker continue to celebrate the orchestra's 125th year with an exploration of the 19th-century Germanic greats. On this recording they take on Bruckner's mighty Fourth Symphony, an uplifting spiritual journey across a huge musical landscape which commands the listener's attention and promises to remain in memory long after the final chords have died away.

Speaking of the individuality and overwhelming power of Bruckner's music, Rattle had this to say: "It's as though one's caught up in a gigantic wave...which simply will not stop until the last note and in fact when the last note is sounded, very often the audience simply doesn't applaud because there's a feeling to it still going out into space..."

Tracklisting:

Anton Bruckner (1824-1896)
Symphony No.4 in E-Flat Major "Romantic"
1. Bewegt, nicht zu schnell
2. Andante quasi allegretto
3. Scherzo- trio
4. Finale

Customer Reviews:

5 out of 5 stars Among the best.......2007-07-03

This new recording of Bruckner 4 is among the best Bruckner 4th's I have heard.
I would set this recording along side Bohm or the Karajan(s) recordings. The tempos are often broad but Rattle has the vison and energy to keep the natural flow of the music. Rattle does not disrupte the music's natural flow as let say Celibidache often does.
The playing of the Berlin Philharmonic is nigh perfect and the intontion and ensemble continue to amaze. The recording is very good with a good wide range that does not confine the sound of this great orchestra.

Strongly recommended.

4 out of 5 stars Among the best recent Bruckner Fourths: 4.5stars.......2007-05-14

There is no shortage of fine Bruckner 4s but this is another one. And it was recorded live, which I can't recall being true of many others, perhaps Wand's BPO CD for RCA. The performance has a slight Schubertian tinge but is weighty and powerful with plenty of impetus.

The BPO playing is outstanding as is the recording - with the slight caveat that the in opening pages of the first movement occasionally the brass attacks lack crispness and the recording doesn't seem quite as transparent sonically as the rest of the performance - was this perhaps recorded on a different night to the rest of the CD? But these are minor quibbles.

In fact the only reason I might not give this 5 stars is the presence in the catalogue of a more individual reading - namely that by Celibidache on EMI. Here Celi's interpretation and penchant for slightly slower speeds make absolute sense, and one ends up almost with a recreation rather than an interpretation. That would be my first choice.
Bruckner: Symphony No. 4 in E Flat Major 'Romantic'; Herbert von Karajan; Berlin Philharmonic
Average customer rating: 4 out of 5 stars
  • A good performance that has a tendency to drag just a little.
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Bruckner: Symphony No. 4 in E Flat Major 'Romantic'; Herbert von Karajan; Berlin Philharmonic
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ASIN: B000239B8M
Release Date: 2004-07-13

Tracks:

  1. I: Bewegt, Nicht Zu Schnell
  2. II: Andante Quasi Allegretto
  3. III: Scherzo: Bewegt - Trio: Nicht Zu Schnell
  4. IV: Finale: Bewegt, Doch Nicht Zu Schnell

Customer Reviews:

3 out of 5 stars A good performance that has a tendency to drag just a little........2007-07-08

This same 4th by Karajan and the BPO is posted at Rhapsody under the Karajan Collection and sells for over 40% (5 Dollars!) more here at Amazon. Ah, the whiz kids in EMI marketing. Each has the exact same elapsed track times, so beware and be aware before you buy. If you are a collector, your guess is better than mine as to which jewel case packaging will be the more collectable. I would guess having all the "Karajan Collection" CDs or a great number of them and offering them all at once will fetch a pretty penny at Ebay in 5 to 15 years.

If you like your Bruckner 4th performed as a somewhat meandering, sentimental journey that drags just a bit, look no further. This is true especially in the first and fourth movements. They are two to three minutes longer than my favorite fourths. I prefer that these two movements be a somewhat exciting romp instead of a slow moving, dirge like, sentimental journey. My other problem with this 4th are the many low volume parts where the sound seems to disappear. I find myself fiddling with the volume knob and getting the back and forth tennis match treatment--too loud, too soft, too loud, too soft, etc. etc. etc.

The playing, especially the strings, is very polished, almost creamy feeling--much different than Inbal's. The playing is good, but does not top many of my favorite fourths and the sound recording is OK (see above about the low volume parts). If you have a program like Audio Cleaning Labs you could load this wave file into it and use the leveler feature set at classical soft. This feature will bump up the lows just a bit and not mess with the high volume sections.

I enjoyed listening to this fourth, but my favorite Karajan Bruckner Symphony is the 8th. I love the late 1980s version.

5 out of 5 stars Karajan vs Karajan - Two superb recordings.......2006-11-17

I own both the EMI and DG recordings of Karajan's Bruckner 4 with the Berlin Phil and to me they are both superb. Karajan's interpretation is flawless and he manages to conjure up such a rich variety of textures and colours that they can surely not be surpassed. The Berlin Phil of the 70's and early 80's was at its height under Karajan and the quality of its sound (especially evident in the richness of the strings) as well as the virtually perfect beginnings and endings of each passage in these two recordings can surely not be surpassed. Karajan really gives meaning to the 'romatic' in this symphony's name. I would say these are the definitive recordings of this work.

5 out of 5 stars Which Karajan Bruckner Fourth to choose?.......2006-01-01

Karajan made two classic recordings of the Bruckner Fourth, one in 1970 for EMI--he had briefly jumped ship from DG over a cntract dispute--then again in 1975 when he returned to his home company. Both recordings are with the Berlin Phil., and both aspire to be the greatest Fourths in the catalog. Which one should you choose?

EMI 1970: Karajan is noticeably slower here, adding two min. to each movement compared with his later reading, except for the thrillingly fast Scherzo, which is the same on both. The broader pace allows for more expressive shaping, and the orchestra responds magnificently--just the opening string tremolos and hushed horn solo will have you holding your breath. Karajan was a sophisticate, the mirror opposite of the naive Bruckner, yet somehow he could clothe himself in simplicity and directness in this music. The Berlin strings are very sweet and tender when need be. The brass is enormous without being bombastic. As for sonics, the EMI version was recorded in the BPO's best location, the Jesus Christe Kirche, and the sound is clear and wide-ranging. At times the horns are a bit too recessed for maximum impact, but the climaxes come across without mircophone distortion.

DG 1975: This recording is out of print except in Karajan's complete Bruckner set. As a performance it is faster than the earlier one, which Karajan uses to achieve more immediate excitement. In all other respects the two readings are identical--Karajan tended to make up his mind once an interpretation was set. The deciding factor will probably be the sound. Recorded in the problematic Berlin Philharmonie, the orchestra sounds pinched and restricted compared to the EMI account, and there is a muffled haze in climaxes. In the loudest passages there is also a "crunch" that is not pleasant. These flaws aren't crippling, but they can't be overlooked, either.

Sometimes I feel it's worthwhile to own all of Karajan's various Bruckner interpretations--that's certainly true for Sym. 7, 8, and 9--but his EMI Fourth is so artistically complete that one should own it first and foremost. I can hardly imagine a more satisfying account.

(As to the digital transfers, I would bet that all three versions listed here at Amazon represent the same remastering done for the Karajan Edition, which is the one I own.)

5 out of 5 stars Exceptional........2005-03-19

I listen to plenty of Bruckner performed by plenty of conductors and orchestras. I always try to maintain an open mind when encountering new (to me) performances. Frankly, this is one of the most radiant and magnificently played Bruckner Fourths I've ever encountered--one of those interpretations that almost leaves one convinced this is exactly the way the composer intended the music to sound.

Karajan seems to be one of those high-profile conductors about whom aficionados enjoy having strong opinions. Nothing attracts derision like success and during his lifetime he was an amazingly successful conductor.

For the classical newcomer my somewhat impartial assessment may be helpful: Herbert von Karajan was a genius and certainly a perfectionist. He tended to get spectacular sound and performances from his orchestras. Now some find his stuff just a bit too "perfect" and consequently emotionally distant--hence "bandmaster." Sometimes I think this assessment by some folks is influenced by personal feelings about the conductor's wartime associations with the Nazi party. Sometimes people just act oddly when confronted by perfection. Personally, I've liked most of the von Karajan recordings I've heard, a number are favorites or first choices, but I also love the work of many other conductors and for different reasons. When you start sampling different interpretations you realize there're many acceptable and enjoyable ways to play the same music.

Case in point. Karajan's Mahler is gorgeous and majestic while simultaneously not exactly rustic and folksy. His approach brings out an astonishing aspect to the music, how well-written it is. It may not be the best Mahler for some but it's still a great listening experience for others--myself included. There's nothing out there quite like it. I have other interpretations when I want the folksy side played up better.

1 out of 5 stars Low budget in more ways than one........2005-01-23

A waste of time. Bruckner does not respond well to band-masters. End.
Bruckner: Symphony No. 4 / Karl Böhm
Average customer rating: 4.5 out of 5 stars
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Bruckner: Symphony No. 4 / Karl Böhm
Anton Bruckner , Vienna Philharmonic Orchestra , and Karl Böhm
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ASIN: B00000JXZA
Release Date: 1999-08-10

Tracks:

  1. Symphony No. 4 in E flat major 'Romantic': I Bewegt, nicht zu schnell
  2. Symphony No. 4 in E flat major 'Romantic': II Andante, quasi allegretto
  3. Symphony No. 4 in E flat major 'Romantic': III Scherzo: Bewegt - Trio: Nicht zu schnell Keinesfalls schleppend
  4. Symphony No. 4 in E flat major 'Romantic': IV Finale: Bewegt, doch nicht zu schnell

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4 out of 5 stars classic recording...horrible oboe.......2007-07-04

This is a classic recording but with a very acid oboe play. Sometimes with this orchestra the oboe sound cuts and does not bland. Bohm's ideas are excellent.

5 out of 5 stars AS EXPECTED.......2007-06-11

I received the packge approx. 1 week after I ordered it. It was packed properly, and arrived in very good condition.

The cassette was as ordered. The sound quality excellent and I am overall very satisfied with this purchase.

5 out of 5 stars JUSTIFIABLY CALLED A 'LEGEND'.......2007-05-11

Sometimes everything just clicks. It all goes right on the night. All the careful preparation is realised in performance. The conductor's private vision is perfectly transmitted to and by the orchestra before him. The soloists' most felicitous phrases gel ideally with the conductor's large-scale interpretation of the work.

This was just such a performance - or rather a set of recording sessions. Bohm was certainly well versed in the Bruckner canon, but he was not one of those `core' Bruckner conductors like Jochum and Wand or even Furtwangler and Knappertsbusch. Recordings also exist of him conducting Symphonies 3, 5, 7 and 8 as well as other readings of the Fourth, but none of them are really in the class of this performance, fully worthy of Decca's `Legend' moniker emblazoned on the jewel case. Perhaps it's better not to speculate about why it all worked so well at those sessions, but just to rejoice that it did and relish the results.

`Romantic' was Bruckner's own soubriquet for his Fourth. It certainly stands apart from most of the rest of the canon in its freshness, its sense of the Austrian countryside and indeed of Austrianness in general. It doesn't seek to explore the construction and structure of a symphony in the way the 5th or the 8th do, nor to plumb the spiritual depths of the 8th or 9th. Bruckner's programmatic descriptions for his Fourth conjure up a medieval world of forests, birdsong, hunting expeditions and knightly derring-do. That's not to say it is not constructed with much thought through seven years of the usual Brucknerian overhauls, including three different Finales. Its form is certainly a lot more tightly organised than its predecessor, the Wagnerian 3rd. But its character is, perhaps, more simply approachable than the other symphonies.

For this recording, Bohm was at the head of the greatest Austrian orchestra - at the time, arguably the world's greatest orchestra - the Vienna Philharmonic. And the rapport between them seems almost tangible. Certainly their distinctive sound with its rich string tone, its unique French Horns and full brass sound suits this music to a T. One always seems to sense Bruckner, the organist, behind the tiered orchestration he employs, often using the different sections - strings, woodwind, brass - to produce separately coloured blocks of sound layered on top of each other. The Vienna Philharmonic of 1973 seem the perfect instrument to realise this sound. That horn sound is glorious thoughout and the woodwind playing here is exceptional, too.

As to Bohm's interpretation, he really understands the Austrian heart of this music. His tempi are relaxed but never sluggish. Bruckner felt it necessary to qualify the tempo markings in every movement - the first's allegro is nicht zu schnell (not too fast): so is the Finale's: the slow movement is Andante, but quasi allegretto: and the Scherzo's Trio is marked nicht zu schnell again. Bohm observes all this, allowing the music room to breathe while always sustaining momentum. The pacing and placing of Bruckner's huge climaxes is always spot-on. And he fully understands exactly where the highest point of each movement should be - he doesn't play all his cards too early: the climaxes are `scaled' to retain a meaningful shape to each movement and to the whole symphony.

This is definitely a disc that merits the title Legendary. And at a bargain price. What more encouragement should you need?

3 out of 5 stars One side of the Bruckner coin.......2006-08-01

This Bruckner 4 has been cited by many as being THE benchmark version for several decades. However, I think that listening to Karl Bohm conducting is like making love with your clothes on .. ok but a bit, er, shall we say, 'safe'! His 1974 Bruckner 4 is a pretty good example of what I mean; it's a typical Bohm reading - undynamic, safe, earthbound, 'gemutlich' (= comfortable) even, almost as if the VPO is being conducted by somebody with a background in farming who aspires to direct a great orchestra. His way was nearly always typically conservative Austrian, which for some may well be OK because Bruckner too was a conservative Austrian, but he was one whose music can work on different levels; or two sides of the same coin. I really liked this Bruckner 4 when it first appeared on LP thirty-odd years ago, it seemed grand and imposing, but I was new to Bruckner and I quickly found that I preferred a more robust, lithe and dynamic approach, which is why my Bruckner 4s have been whittled down to just one version - Karajan on EMI (1972). Karajan's approach is for me ideal, he is the bold mountaineer up on the glaciers and rocky summits where Bohm is the farmer in the cabbage fields below. In the final analysis it comes down to personal preference as to which way suits you best and Bohm's way may suit many people, but not me.

5 out of 5 stars BOHM AND BRUCKNER 4TH=FANTASIC!.......2006-05-09

This recording was the first Bruckner symphony I bought and one of the first Bruckner symphonies I listened to. I instantly found it moving,inspiring,and fascinating. The opening crescendo of the first movement is one of the most awe-inspiring and lovely moments in all symphonic literature. The adagio is most lyrical and displays Bruckner's prowess in writing slow movements. The 4th's scherzo instantly captivated me and the brass writing is spectacular. Then the finale; while it has been said by some scholars that this finale contains some structural flaws, as a layman I do not notice this. Instead I find it to be a thrilling experience, indeed it is one of Bruckner's most amazing finales'. After many months of listening to this great work I decided to get the score and read along, and I must say this symphony is perfect for just that. It never gets tedious or uninteresting while reading along with the music. Now about the recording.

I knew nothing about Bohm and hardly anything about Bruckner when I bought this album, but after the first listen I was struck by its intensity. I would warmly recommend it to any classical music fan. It is one of Bruckner's most approachable symphonies. The acoustics are magnificent, Bohm has the tempo down just right, and the orchestra sounds clear and loud. I love this recording & this symphony, and look foward to many more listens in the years to come.
Portrait of an Artist: Arnold Jacobs
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Portrait of an Artist: Arnold Jacobs

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ASIN: B00004UDEY
Release Date: 2000-08-15

Tracks:

  1. Buxtehude: Fanfare - Adolph Herseth/Vincent Cichowicz/William Scarlett/Charles Geyer/Dale Clevenger/Jay Friedman...
  2. We Are Enormously Complex
  3. Hn Con No.1 in E flat: 1st Movt: Allegro
  4. Hn Con No.1 in E flat: 2nd Movt: Andante
  5. Hn Con No.1 in E flat: 3rd Movt: Allegro
  6. The Musician Plays The Instrument
  7. Playing For The Audience
  8. Programming The Brain
  9. Czardas
  10. Carnival Of Venice
  11. Con: 1st Movt
  12. Etude No.24
  13. 'Czardas' With The Metronome
  14. This Is An Art Form
  15. We Play By Song And Wind
  16. Canzon Per Sonare No.2 - Adolph Herseth/Vincent Cichowicz/Dale Clevenger/Jay Friedman/Arnold Jacobs
  17. Lohengrin: King Heinrich's Call (Exc) - Jay Friedman/Arnold Jacobs
  18. Sym Fantastique: Dies Irae
  19. Become A Singer In Your Brain
  20. There Must Be A Source Of Vibration
  21. Breath As A Motor Force
  22. Sonatine: 1st Movt: Allegro Vivo - Adolph Herseth/Vincent Cichowicz/Richard Oldberg/Frank Crisafulli/Arnold Jacobs
  23. Sonatine: 2nd Movt: Andante Ma Non Troppo - Adolph Herseth/Vincent Cichowicz/Richard Oldberg/Frank Crisafulli/Arnold Jacobs
  24. Sonatine: 3rd Movt: Allegro Vivo - Adolph Herseth/Vincent Cichowicz/Richard Oldberg/Frank Crisafulli/Arnold Jacobs
  25. Sonatine: 4th Movt: Largo; Allegro - Adolph Herseth/Vincent Cichowicz/Richard Oldberg/Frank Crisafulli/Arnold Jacobs
  26. Keeping Music As An Art Form
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  28. F Tuba Demonstration With Berlioz
  29. Romeo And Juliet (Exc) - Chicago SO/Carlo Maria Giulini
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  31. Petrouchka (Exc) - Chicago SO/James Levine
  32. Sym No.4: 1st Movt (Exc) - Chicago SO/Jean Martinon
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  34. The Key For Communicating In Music
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Customer Reviews:

3 out of 5 stars Jacobs was overrated.......2005-09-28

Arnold Jacobs was a brilliant man who could have succeeded in practically any profession. He was also a fine musical pedagogue, judging from his verbal insights on this CD with respect to the human body as a musical instrument. Yet, I am amazed that he rose to the rank of tubist in a world-class orchestra such as the Chicago Symphony. Frankly, I found his tone quality uninspiring, although he had fine techinque. I have heard at least half a dozen tubists whose tone is far more pleasing musically. Among the bassmen/women of the world, Jacobs has become a semi-divine entity. I believe that he has been somewhat overrated as a result. I felt that his verbal commentaries were highly educational; I was disappointed by his playing overall.

5 out of 5 stars The Great Arnold Jacobs Captured on C.D........2005-04-02

This is a prolific set of audio that captures the historical sound of Arnold Jacobs' playing and teaching. I bought this C.D. because I wanted to explore the limits and capabilities of a tuba player so that I could see if playing music on the tuba was for me. This C.D. banished any doubt that I had about the ability of a tuba player to achieve at the utmost musical level. I have never meet Mr. Jacobs in real life, but this C.D. made me feel as if I was in a master class or recital hall listening to him myself. I would recommend this C.D. to anyone who loves music. As Arnold Jacbos said " It's not about the tuba, it's about music".

5 out of 5 stars arnold jacobs.......2001-05-16

This cd tries to capture arnold jacobs: a prolific teacher, player and above all a great man. while listening, you'll discover the ideals, the methods and ideas that made arnold jacobs the best tuba player that there'll probably ever be. The more complex issues and artistry of brass playing are explained in simple words and sayings. a great deal of jacobs' lectures is also given, and you can also see the importance of understanding the functioning of other body units that help us trough our playing (the brain). a great disc, highly recommended, not only for tuba players, but for all brass players.

5 out of 5 stars inspiring technician musician artist.......2000-09-01

Cannot agree more,this is a wonderful exposition of Jacobs the teacher,for he had developed working concepts any wind player could adopt.His studio in the Fine Arts Building in Chicago was like a mecca for all wind players coming to Jacobs to resolve some deep-rooted performing problem. As he says( my paraphrasing) " they get tied up in knots,worrying about all the motions of the lip. . .you can't think about all those motions for they are thousands of motions from the brain to engage in performing a brass instrument "

As a brass player myself,(trombone & tuba) I have always sensed we have little repertoire to play of any interest,but Jacobs in a lecture here reveals this problem and one way to solve it, is to consciously search for things to play,like an aria from Puccini,or a particular non-tuba passage,to duplicate it,a piano or violin solo. What this approach implies is then for the brass player to develop skills as a consummate musician/ virtuoso,for you are forever challenged then to expand your repertoire endlessly,as much as the instrument or your technique will allow. I now find myself playing Chopin Preludes(Eb-minor,B-minor melodies only) on the trombone,and contrabass orchestral excerpts or trumpet etudes on the tuba,and Jacobs encourages tuba players to learn to read treble clef to be able to read any melody.

There are wonderful examples here from all genres in music from solo etudes in his studio to Berlioz and Wagner excerpts, solo and within the context of the orchestra. It all reveals the seemless consistent sound Jacobs was able to summon from his York tuba. Every attach was uniform,every tone even and pure,at least that is what he heard in his ear. That's another Jacobs credo,you have to have the sound in your head,what do you want your listener to hear. You command that.

The Bozza Sonatine(brass quintet) is also a wonderful performance of great brass music,great use of colours and entrances,breaking down the quintet into smaller duets and trios.This all with Chicago Symphony players makes it all the more interesting,a vintage performance from 1966.I recall those days where solo brass was considered an oddity,and unaccompanied solos even more so.

Jacob's sound should remain in your mind's hearing to duplicate it. Eugene Pokorny (Jacob's Chicago Symphony successor) also provides insightful interesting notes here.

5 out of 5 stars Arnold Jacobs - Icon of education and performance.......2000-08-23

Amazing! For the students who studied directly with Arnold Jacobs, "Protrait of an Artist" will take you back to his studio, sitting right next to him. This excellent collection of lectures (lessons) and demonstrations are a fantastic embodiment of Arnold Jacobs' concepts and teachings. It is certainly a must for any music performer or educator. From the samples of CSO performances at the end of this CD to the practice tapes, the music on this CD is truely inspirational.
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    ASIN: B0002JUX9C
    Release Date: 2004-08-17

    Tracks:

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    2. Mozart - Eine Kleine Nachtmusik, I. Allegro
    3. Mendelssohn - Violin Concerto, III. Allegro Molto Vivace
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    Bruckner: Symphony No. 4 Romantic [Hybrid SACD] [Japan]
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      5 out of 5 stars A MUST BUY!!!.......2001-03-03

      If I had to choose one CD to spend a month locked in isolation with, this would be the one. Its varied but it flows well together. It's restive and soothing. The quality is beyond excellent!!! At the price, anyone is a fool not to own it, and give it lavishly as gifts. Its gorgeous, lush and fabulous! Everyone that hears it in our home, falls in love with it!

      4 out of 5 stars Great music, Excellent Value!.......2000-07-26

      Rarely can one buy so much good music for so little. This compilation features almost 80 minutes of high quality music.

      5 out of 5 stars This truly is essential!.......1999-10-23

      What a brilliant idea from one of our leading record companies! On this disc, they have assembled a programme of highlights from their vast collection of choral, vocal, orchestral, and solo instrumental music that is very satisfying. As with most CDs of this sort, it is a case of some tracks not appealing as much as others- I for instance am a lover of choral music so the gorgeous renditions of Stanford's "Magnificat" by St. Paul's Cathedral Choir or John Sheppard's divine motet "Libera Nos" by the Sixteen are obvious preferences of mine. However, whether you seek dyed-in-the-wool orchestral classics as Haydn's "Surprise" Symphony, less familiar works performed by period artists (such as "'E irei Madr'a Vigo" by ancient Spanish composer Martin Codax), or snippets of breathtaking instrumental solos (such as the rousing performance of Lefebure-Wely's "Sortie in E flat" which is sadly only an excerpt), this disc is bound to have something on it for you. And all of it is finely recorded.
      Bruckner: Symphony No. 4
      Average customer rating: 4.5 out of 5 stars
      • Wand does it again
      • Good, but Uninvolving
      • Monolithic Bruckner
      • A monumental Bruckner
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      Bruckner: Symphony No. 4

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      ASIN: B0000247D1
      Release Date: 2000-02-08

      Tracks:

      1. Symphony No.4 in E flat major 'Romantic': Bewegt, nicht zu scnell
      2. Symphony No.4 in E flat major 'Romantic': Andante quasi Allegretto
      3. Symphony No.4 in E flat major 'Romantic': Scherzo. Bewegt Trio. Nicht zu schnell, keinesfalls schleppend
      4. Symphony No.4 in E flat major 'Romantic': Finale. Bewegt, doch nicht zu schell

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      Günter Wand's Bruckner recordings have established him as perhaps today's premier Brucknerian, and this live concert performance of the Romantic with the Berlin Philharmonic can only cement that reputation. The octogenarian German conductor favors broad tempos, deep orchestral tone, and attention to detail that lends transparency to Bruckner's thick textures. To these admirable attributes add the spontaneity of a concert performance, which here means touches of rubato and little accents and stresses not always associated with the studio recordings of this conductor, whose interpretations usually eschew individualistic mannerisms. For those who care about such things, Wand plays the Haas edition. The orchestra is superb and the recording effective, putting this among the finest available traversals of this popular Bruckner work. --Dan Davis

      Customer Reviews:

      5 out of 5 stars Wand does it again.......2004-09-01

      Although I do agree with some of the reviewers in their belief that Wand's approach here does not work as well as it does in, oh, lets say the Eighth Symphony, I still believe that Wand's interpretation is rock-solid, spacious, transparent, and strikingly powerful. As always, Wand breaths life into the score, making Bruckner sound so alive. This living quality also allows the listener to appreciate Bruckner's incredible musical architecture. While so many composers favor the "bigger is better" approach to Bruckner, I would go as far as to say that, at least in this recording, Wand's tight , transparent, and solid approach brings an almost chamber-like quality to the symphony. The playing is so focused and so direct that the result is breathtaking. Although this reading is not as incisive and powerful as Wand's amazing recording of the Eighth Symphony, Wand's forth is certainly one of the best performances out there.

      3 out of 5 stars Good, but Uninvolving.......2003-05-07

      Wand does some nice things with this performance, and the recording captures the sound in a balanced way. The slower tempi allow for a lot of details in the scoring to come through. In general, the piece moves along carefully and deliberately, maintaining flow and instrumental balances. Unfortunately, things sound a little too careful at times, leading to dramatic passages sounding somewhat underplayed and anticlimactic.

      Part of the problem comes from a brass section that doesn't seem to play through the notes enough. They attack the beginning of the note and then just let it go. It's particularly annoying in the first movement during those recurring descending triplet figures in the low brass. Perhaps the Berlin Phil brass players should listen to the Chicago Symphony brass section and learn how to do it. That orchestra's brass can bring an incredible organ-like quality to the sustained brass lines in Bruckner 4 that makes Berlin's sound seem a little amateurish in comparison.

      4 out of 5 stars Monolithic Bruckner.......2001-07-13

      I gave a quick summary of my thoughts on Wand's Bruckner in my review of his go at the 5th symphony so this will be a bit more abbrieviated. Wand glacial, monolithic, monumental, etc. approach to Bruckner worked in his interpretation of the 5th symphony. Perhaps this was because the 5th is Bruckner's most austere and serious work (the 8th and 9th snarl a good deal more than the 5th, and show a bit of doubt and hysteria at times as well). However, this approach, I hesitantly suggest, represents a regression back to ...-fied Bruckner(notice the proliferation of Haas performances again). This is a German and Teutonic Bruckner; not Bruckner the upper-Austrian whose foot-stomping scherzos reveal an incorrigible peasant. Wand's approach falls flat in the 4th symphony. Where is the drama and suspense one would expect from a "romantic" symphony? Where are the evocations of nature one would expect from such a symphony? Those aspects are washed away in a straight-faced, colossal, Teutonic interpretation. This is not a lithe, optimistic and youthful knight "sallying forth" as Bruckner suggested. I get the sense that many conductors these days try to save the world with every Bruckner symphony. Though Wand may not be AS guilty of this as say Celibedache or Karajan, he leans more in that direction. To those who aren't sure what I'm getting at, some remedial listening is necessary. Jochum's interpretation of the 4th is a romantic blaze in comparison, and I think many would be suprised by how quick Klemperer conducted the 4th. There is a livelyness, flexibility, and a bit of a snarl in Jochum, Klemperer, and Furtwangler's Bruckner (Furtwangler's Bruckner could be downright wild; listen to his wartime Vienna recording of the 8th). This is a Bruckner tradition, that I think is probably dying, but it is worth getting to know nevertheless. In conclusion, while Wand's stoic and plodding approach may work in the 5th and 8th, it fails in the 4th which calls for more dramatic contrasts than Wand is capable of calling forth.

      5 out of 5 stars A monumental Bruckner.......2000-11-26

      This recording will bring everything that is good (or bad) in a stereo system. This is clearly what happened to the reviewer below whose system was not up to par with the glorious dynamic range of this recording. One of the best recordings of classical music I have ever heard, from both a performance and sonic standpoint. You cannot go wrong with this CD.

      5 out of 5 stars Great Bruckner.......2000-08-18

      There are many outstanding recordings of this work. This with out a doubt has to be one of the best. The playing is always outstanding and Wand shows that he is (most likely) the best Bruckner conductor alive today. In terms of comparing other recordings, most of the best have been made with the same orchestra (Berlin Philharmonic) with Barenboim, Karajan, etc. While Wand's conduct is outstanding to say the least, there is a reason why he seleceted the Berlin Philharmonic. A great disc
      Bruckner: Symphony No. 4 "Romantic"
      Average customer rating: 4.5 out of 5 stars
      • Bombastic...
      • "Philadelphia Sound" + Bruckner = Bad Combo!
      • Watch out, you have a Great one here!
      • Searching for a soul??? Look elsewhere.....
      • Exhilarating and chilling
      Bruckner: Symphony No. 4 "Romantic"

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      ASIN: B0000027OF
      Release Date: 1992-01-03

      Tracks:

      1. Symphony No. 4 in E flat major 'Romantic': I. Bewegt, nicht zu schnell
      2. Symphony No. 4 in E flat major 'Romantic': II. Andante quasi Allegretto
      3. Symphony No. 4 in E flat major 'Romantic': III. Scherzo. Bewegt - Trio. Nicht zu schnell. Keinesfalls schleppend - Scherzo
      4. Symphony No. 4 in E flat major 'Romantic': IV. Finale. Bewegt, doch nicht zu schnell

      Customer Reviews:

      5 out of 5 stars Bombastic..........2007-04-20

      Bruckner's Fourth is a robust and bombastic, but also a very, very long experience. Eugene Ormandy and the Philadelphia Orchestra keep things interesting through lush and soaring strings, and shining horns ( I guess that's what they call the "Philadelphia sound").

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      3 out of 5 stars "Philadelphia Sound" + Bruckner = Bad Combo!.......2006-07-18

      Ormandy's tenure with Philadelphia Orchestra is one of the greatest collaborations in performance history. He maintained the special "Philadelphia Sound" after Stokowski, with sensual strings and aggresive brass sound. Despite the group's virtuosity and distinct fame, however, playing a Bruckner piece with such style won't do for me.

      In Symphony No. 4, titled the "Romantic" (not to mention my single favorite symphony), I've always been used to the warm, Germanic sound on the brass, while the strings often accompanied them with calm, shimmering sounds to make an organ effect (and Bruckner was also an organist and a devout Catholic). That amazing overtone which can be achieved in some performances is void in this one. The strings are too out of control, but also tend to be covered or blend with the brass - especially the vibrato-filled almost Russian trumpets. Bruckner's music is supposed to be a spiritual ecstacy, but being done by an orchestra under such an un-German sound is travesty. The work is played flawlessly and skillfully, especially in the third and fourth movements, but this isn't really Bruckner.

      In short, the special "Philadelphia Sound" on Bruckner simply won't do...

      There are plenty of great one out there. If you want the most of it, try Abbado/VPO. Although not as prestigious, I also recommend Salonen/LAPO (plus, there is actually a brief hold on the last thundering chord in the first movement).

      5 out of 5 stars Watch out, you have a Great one here!.......2004-05-26

      The Philly Orchestra is one of the most inspired ensembles in the world. Here they make wonderful sounds in this Bruckner 4 unlike any other orchestra. To top it off the pacing is absolutely first rate and the Finale is truly rustic with the feeling of the Forest! In spite of knowing a great deal of other Bruckner records first hand, this one is a fresh approach which really gives great pleasure. The Slow movement is truly majesterial as well...well worth every cent!

      3 out of 5 stars Searching for a soul??? Look elsewhere............2003-04-24

      ORMANDY'S PHILLY ENSEMBLE IS SUPERB PRODUCING PLAYING THAT IS IMMACULATE BUT THIS CONDUCTOR DOES NOT HAVE THE MUSICAL IMAGINATION NEEDED TO PRODUCE A SATISFYING INTERPRETATION OF THE Bruckner 4th.
      He rushes thru passages thus completely eliminating the mystery that is such a focus point in this piece and Bruckner for that matter.
      Bruckner was a spiritual man like Bach and his music demands a deep soul who knows how to make that spiritual connection.
      Ormandy does not let the music breathe he just runs right thru it and so we have an interpretation lacking mystery,balance,
      shattering climaxes,and musical sense.
      A perfect example is the climactic ending of the first movement.
      It should be built up slowly in piannisimo then increasing the tempo and dynamic little by little so that the tension sizzle's to its boiling point so that when the horns come blazing thru it makes a shattering impact.
      Ormandy justs plows on thru with wonderful orchestral playing yet lacking any soul.
      Karl Bohm's Vienna Decca recording from 1974 or Ricardo Muti's Berlin recording from 1986 both produce splendid results and should be considered if you wish for the real deal.
      This ain't it folks.....

      o.f.

      5 out of 5 stars Exhilarating and chilling.......2002-10-11

      Explosive Ormandy rendering of Bruckner's uncanny Fourth will wring you dry as it marches from the bursting eros of the symphony's triumphal first movement to the equivocal, upsetting, and finally downright creepy finale. This is a larger-than-life composition rendered with high dramatic flare (and recorded without anything to complain of). Bruckner's Fourth deserves to be one of the most controversial works in the canon, in terms of its cumulative emotional or philosophical statement (or whatever abstract vocabulary you choose to impose upon it): whatever it has to say about the world, it is nowhere near as apparent as, say, Brahms' First or Tchaikovsky's "Pathetique". This is a remarkable, and very affordable, disc to keep in the stereo for a couple of weeks at a time to brood over. Addictive.

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